One vowel
The document this archive twice declared missing was indexed the whole time under a spelling its own alias list did not carry.
England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 (FamilySearch index) — FindMyPast serves the same index, so the two sites are one reading documented
This archive has spent weeks looking for Hannah Saniger's baptism, and on two separate days concluded it was missing from every index money could buy. It is not missing. It is spelled SANIGOR, and that is one of the very few spellings this site's own alias list did not carry.
The search index here knows eleven forms of this surname — Sainger, Sanigar, Sanigaer, Sinager, Sinneger, Sinnegar, Sinegar, Synegar, Synager, Singer. It did not know Sanigor. Neither did the variant matching on the subscription site, which returned her marriage and nothing else however the query was phrased. One vowel.
John Saniger's children at Berkeley
John Saniger's children, all baptised at Berkeley, all naming him as father:
| Ann Sanigar | 1798 | |
| William Saniger | 6 September 1801 | |
| Jno Saniger | 18 September 1803 | |
| HANNAH SANIGOR | 18 AUGUST 1804 | the direct line |
| Thos Saniger | 3 July 1808 | almost certainly the Thomas Sinegar who lived a mile from her in Bristol |
It also closes the Thomas Sinegar question. He and Hannah are both baptised at Berkeley to John Saniger — she in 1804, he on 3 July 1808 — and he spent his life in the Bristol parish next to hers, naming a daughter Lydia, a daughter Hannah, and two sons John. Thomas →
One thing does not fit, and it is the year.
The family tree gives Hannah's birth as 23 July 1805. This baptism is 18 August 1804 — eleven months earlier. There is no second Hannah baptised to John Saniger at Berkeley, and no burial for a Hannah between the two dates, so the ordinary reading is that the tree's day and month were carried from somewhere reliable and the year slipped by one. The alternative — two daughters of the same name, the first dying unrecorded — is possible and has no evidence at all.
her baptism, very probably; the year unresolved
Her mother is named, and the name is not evidenced.
FamilySearch's shared tree gives John Saniger a wife LYDIA JONES, 1770–1851, married at Berkeley in 1797. That would name the seventy-year-old Lyddya Sinegar living in Hannah's house in 1841 and settle the oldest small mystery on this site.
AND THIS ARCHIVE'S OWN DATA HOLDS FOUR MORE FIELDS THAT THIS PAGE NEVER MENTIONED: Lydia Jones born 13 MARCH 1770 AT WOTTON-UNDER-EDGE, Gloucestershire; parents WILLIAM JONES and SARAH; died 7 JULY 1851 AT BERKELEY. Every one of those is testable and none has been tested. A death at Berkeley in July 1851 is inside civil registration and should sit in the September quarter of the GRO index for the Thornbury district. A baptism at Wotton-under-Edge in March 1770 to William and Sarah Jones is an ordinary register lookup. A week was spent deciding the surname was unevidenced without trying either.How that was missed →
Lyddya Sinegar, aged seventy →
And there is no will to ask.
A will names children, and that is the shortest route from John Saniger of Berkeley to his daughter Hannah. The Gloucestershire probate index for the right period — Gloucestershire Wills & Administrations 1801-1858, the Consistory Court of Gloucester, 14,195 entries — was read this fortnight under every opening this surname takes. It holds exactly TWO of them.
| 1813 | ABRAHAM SYNEGAR, CARDMAKER, of DURSLEY — administration, 1813/8 |
| 1822 | JOHN SANIGAR, CARPENTER, of OLDBURY-ON-SEVERN, Thornbury — will, 1822/194 |
Searched with wildcards rather than spellings — SAN*, SIN*, SYN* and SWA* return every form the name takes and 27 surrounding families besides, so no spelling can hide inside this result the way SANIGOR hid a baptism. Control: SMITH in the same index returns 277.
The 1804 entry, and what was in the column nobody reads
The complete Saniger pass left one entry it could not place: Jno Saniger, Berkeley, 1804, with the father's column empty — the only Berkeley baptism of the 158 without a father named. Three readings were offered: a second son born the same year as Hannah, a mis-indexed copy of the 1803 entry, or a different family. It is none of them.
| Child | Baptised | Father | Mother | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jno Saniger | 18 September 1803 | father JNO SANIGER | mother not given | Hannah's brother |
| Jno Saniger | 11 February 1804 | no father | mother MARY SANIGER | not this family |
And on the map she was twenty kilometres from Berkeley
The spelling that hid her baptism hid her again, in a place nobody was looking. This archive's own atlas had her birthplace recorded as «Berkley, Gloucester, England» — the family tree's idiosyncratic spelling, the one the 1851 census also uses, and the one [/thomas-sinegar](/thomas-sinegar/) has named since 13 September. It never reached the map as Berkeley.
So she sat alone on 51.865 -2.246, a coordinate a gazetteer returns when it cannot resolve «X, Gloucester, England» — the county written as its county town. Two other villages were on the same point, Brimpsfield and Ashton Underhill, which have nothing to do with her or with each other. That is how the pin was caught: not by anyone checking Hannah, but by three unrelated places being in one spot.
She is on Berkeley now, with the rest of them. John Saniger, Lydia, Catherine Cotton, Margaret Richards, William and Thomas Saniger — eleven people on the parish the whole English line comes out of. It changes no finding on this page. It changes where the archive was drawing the woman the findings are about.
documented The map →
Her mother, tested
The block above was written on 13 September and ended by saying that four fields about Lydia were «testable and none has been tested». All four have now been tested, in one afternoon, on the subscription this archive already had. Two are confirmed from record, one is wrong, and one has nothing behind it.
| The claim | Verdict | Grade | What was found |
|---|---|---|---|
| Died 7 July 1851 at Berkeley | CONFIRMED | documented | LYDIA SANIGAR, death registered in the September quarter of 1851, Thornbury district — GRO volume 11, page 329. Berkeley is in Thornbury registration district, and a death on 7 July falls in that quarter. She died under her married surname, which is itself evidence that a Saniger marriage happened. |
| Born about 1770 at Wotton-under-Edge | CONFIRMED | documented | The 1851 census gives her birthplace, in the enumerator's own spelling, as «Wooton under Edge», and her age as 81. Her baptism is not in England Births & Baptisms — no Lydia Jones at all is baptised in Gloucestershire between 1765 and 1775, against 939 Jones baptisms in the county in those eleven years — but the place and the year do not need it. They are on a record she was alive to answer. |
| Married John Saniger at Berkeley in 1797 | WRONG AS STATED | disputed | There is a Lydia marrying a John at Berkeley in that window, and she is the only one in twenty-one years: LYDIA JONES, 8 January 1798. Her husband's surname, in the transcript rather than in the result row, is SAWYER. Berkeley has 272 marriages indexed for 1793-1803, so the parish is covered, and no Saniger marries there in that decade under any of eight spellings. |
| Her parents were William Jones and Sarah | NOTHING BEHIND IT | not claimed | It rests entirely on the maiden name, and the maiden name rests entirely on the marriage that turned out to be a Sawyer's. JONES is now disputed rather than untested. Wotton-under-Edge survives; Jones does not. |
Where Lydia did not marry
JONES was disputed on 16 September, when the marriage the whole internet cites turned out to belong to a Sawyer. That left a question rather than an answer: where did John Saniger marry, and to whom? Three days of the obvious tests have not found it, and the shape of the failure is now worth as much as a find would have been.
Her household's transcript identifiers run in sequence, so the street can be walked either side of her door. Samuel and Mary Ann Nelmes and their baby on one side; Stephen Smith, farmer, 57, born Berkeley, his wife Sarah and three servants on the other. No relative of Lydia's is named in either, and there is no Jones in the village.
She was born at Wotton-under-Edge, and a bride usually married at home. One Lydia marries a «Jno.» at Wotton-under-Edge in the whole window — Lydia Howell, 2 April 1794. The result row shows the groom's forename and stops there. The transcript gives his surname: COSSENS.
No SANIGER, SANIGAR, SAINGER, SANIGOR, SANEGAR, SINEGAR, SINNEGAR or SANNIGER marries anywhere in England between 1790 and 1802 in England Marriages 1538-1973. The last before the gap is John Saniger to Elizabeth at Thornbury in 1790; the next after it is William Saniger to Mary at Thornbury in 1803.
The surname box takes wildcards. `SNG*` across Gloucestershire for 1793-1803 returns 122 rows, and all 122 were read. Six of them are really this surname — Mary Sannigar at Stroud in 1794, James Senigar at Bristol in 1795, Daniel Sinigar at Gloucester in 1800, Sarah Sinigor at Stinchcombe in 1801, William Saniger at Thornbury in 1803. Not one is a John. Not one marries a Lydia.
Then the same question with no county at all: a John of any `SNG*` surname marrying a Lydia anywhere in England between 1780 and 1820 returns sixteen rows, and the only one whose surname is even arguable is John Sanger and Lydia at Salisbury in 1788 — a Wiltshire form this archive excludes by name, sixty miles off, ten years before their first known child.
The wildcard proves itself on the way past: those 122 rows contained SINIGOR and SINNIGER, two forms missing from this archive's spelling table, which had been rebuilt and called complete that morning. So a search that cannot miss a spelling has now been run, and it does not find them. Three readings remain, not four: they married in a parish this transcription does not include, they married somewhere no one has thought to look, or they did not marry. Further searching of this index cannot decide between them. The Berkeley register itself can, which is what the letter to Gloucestershire Archives is for.
documentedClapton, in the village of Ham
Following Lydia into the census does something the baptism registers could not: it puts this family at an address. Both censuses place them in Ham, one of the three hamlets of Berkeley parish that the 1608 muster names — and the manor whose court roll of 1587 sits in John Smyth's own collection, MS 3549, as «Ham and Hinton». The family this archive has been tracing through spellings turns out to have been living, in living memory, in the place the archive has been reading fourteenth-century deeds about.
1841 — Clapton, Ham, Berkeley
| Name | Age | Relationship | |
|---|---|---|---|
| John Sanigar | 35 | b. Gloucestershire | |
| Anne Sanigar | 40 | b. Gloucestershire | |
| William Sanigar | 6 | twin | b. Gloucestershire |
| John Sanigar | 6 | twin | b. Gloucestershire |
| Mary Sanigar | 3 | b. Gloucestershire |
HO107/347, book 6, folio 3, page 1, schedule 761. Ages of adults are rounded down to the nearest five in 1841, so «35» covers a man of 37.
1851 — Village of Ham, Ham
| Name | Age | Relationship | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ann Sanigar | 50 | Head, widow | «Formly tailors wife» · b. Gloucestershire |
| William Sanigar | 16 | Son | General labourer · b. Berkeley |
| Mary Ann Sanigar | 13 | Daughter | Scholar · b. Berkeley |
| Lydia Sanigar | 81 | MOTHER IN LAW, widow | «Formly labourers wife» · b. «Wooton under Edge» |
HO107/1957, folio 561, page 13, schedule 46, Berkeley sub-district.
Her mother, tested
The block above was written on 13 September and ended by saying that four fields about Lydia were «testable and none has been tested». All four have now been tested, in one afternoon, on the subscription this archive already had. Two are confirmed from record, one is wrong, and one has nothing behind it.
LYDIA SANIGAR, death registered in the September quarter of 1851, Thornbury district — GRO volume 11, page 329. Berkeley is in Thornbury registration district, and a death on 7 July falls in that quarter. She died under her married surname, which is itself evidence that a Saniger marriage happened.
The 1851 census gives her birthplace, in the enumerator's own spelling, as «Wooton under Edge», and her age as 81. Her baptism is not in England Births & Baptisms — no Lydia Jones at all is baptised in Gloucestershire between 1765 and 1775, against 939 Jones baptisms in the county in those eleven years — but the place and the year do not need it. They are on a record she was alive to answer.
There is a Lydia marrying a John at Berkeley in that window, and she is the only one in twenty-one years: LYDIA JONES, 8 January 1798. Her husband's surname, in the transcript rather than in the result row, is SAWYER. Berkeley has 272 marriages indexed for 1793-1803, so the parish is covered, and no Saniger marries there in that decade under any of eight spellings.
It rests entirely on the maiden name, and the maiden name rests entirely on the marriage that turned out to be a Sawyer's. JONES is now disputed rather than untested. Wotton-under-Edge survives; Jones does not.
All one hundred and fifty-eight, read
FindMyPast's England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 carries a column this archive has never had from an index: the father's first name. For SANIGER it holds 158 baptisms, and 156 of them name a father. All eight pages have now been read in baptism-year order, 1571 to 1909. 115 of the 158 are Berkeley — the rest are Bristol (9), Thornbury (7), Stone and Tidenham (4 each), Dursley and St Botolph Aldgate (3 each), King's Stanley and Stonehouse (2 each), and one apiece at Frampton on Severn, Slimbridge, North Nibley, Wheatenhurst and Newent. Two strays sit far outside all of it, both in 1688: Nether Whitacre in Warwickshire and Stoke Prior in Worcestershire.
| Child | Baptised | Father | Parish | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ann Saniger | 1798 | John | Berkeley | already on this page — see the correction below |
| William Saniger | 1801 | John | Berkeley | |
| Jno Saniger | 1803 | Jno | Berkeley | |
| Jno Saniger | 1804 | none indexed | Berkeley | unexplained |
| Thos Saniger | 1808 | John | Berkeley | |
| Hannah Saniger | 1746 | Thomas | Berkeley | two generations early |
| Hannah Saniger | 1772 | William | Berkeley | entered twice; still early |
| John Saniger | 1835 | John | Berkeley | a second John's children |
| William Saniger | 1835 | John | Berkeley |
Two notes on method
- An alias list is a research instrument, and mine had a hole in it. Every "not found" this archive published for Hannah was really "not found under ten of the eleven spellings I happened to think of". The list now carries sixteen, including Sanigor, Sanigear, Sinigar and Swanhanger. Where the other holes were →
- And on Ancestry. Asked to look on Ancestry, which holds the Gloucestershire registers FindMyPast does not. It is not signed in on this machine and I will not enter anyone's password, so it was not used. FamilySearch was signed in, is free, and had the record.
Six generations at Berkeley → · The surname in 1608 → · Why I thought she was not from there → · The errors →