The Defranceschi Archive
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Veniera Francin (De Franceschi)

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PlaceVodnjan
LineSouthern Istria
Read from005497894 · marriages img 179, 188, 213
Found inRead off the register
What the archive knows

«la fu Veniera Francin q.m Dom.co de Rondel» — first wife of Pietro De Franceschi, mother of the Gio: Maria who married in 1821, and dead before March 1818

the archive's own line a register read here a FamilySearch index entry the family tree, unverified
Where this comes from

3 of the 3 relationships drawn above are written in a register this archive has read with its own eyes.

Joined on a name alone. One household above could not be date-checked, because this archive holds no year for the person or for the household. Treat that link as a lead.

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Appears on: Changes · Fiume 1626 · Gaps · Households · Everyone · The Search Register · Vodnjan

Changes

…hit Late 1832 into 1833 Vodnjan, Liber Copulatorum — DGS 005497894, image 213 A second son, and a correction. 1 December 1832, house 282: «Domenico figlio di Pietro De Franceschi q.m Gio: Maria e della q.m Veniera Francin q.m Domenico», aged 29 — the same parents as the 1821 bridegroom, so a younger brother of Gio: Maria, born about 1803. And on 26 January 1833 the priest's signature reads «D.n Stefano De Franceschi, De Parochi lic., li congiunse e benedisse…

…page. From 1821 the register rules new columns — «Sponsus et Genitores» — and names both parties' parents in every entry. The first result: 9 June 1821, house 356, «Gio: Maria De Franceschi figlio di Pietro De Franceschi q.m Gio: Maria e della fu Veniera Francin q.m Dom.co de Rondel», aged 22, marrying Lucia Bonassin, aged 27. That is the household this archive had reconstructed from the baptism register — now with its father, grandfather and great-grandfather named. It also settles this morning's open…

…(entries 42 and 43, both 25 November 1828), taking him to ten. And the near-miss worth keeping: «Giuseppe figlio del fu Pietro Francin q.m Dom.co de Rondel» — not Franceschi, but the identical patronymic to Pietro De Franceschi's first wife «Veniera Francin q.m Dom.co de Rondel», so this groom is Veniera's nephew and a first cousin of the 1821 bridegroom. Francin is not Franceschi, and in this parish the two families are a household deep in each other. Image 204 read clean.…

Fiume 1626

…June 1821 — the household gets a grandfather, and a guess is retired 9· 9 Giugno 1821· № domus 356 Sponsus et Genitores — Gio: Maria De Franceschi, figlio di Pietro De Franceschi q.m Gio: Maria e della fu Veniera Francin q.m Dom.co de Rondel, giugali, Agricoltori· Cattolico· d'Anni 22· Celibe Sponsa et Genitores — Lucia, figlia di Giovanni Bonassin q.m Giuseppe e della fu Lucia Davanzo q.m Leonardo, giugali, Agricoltori Cattolica·…

…gives pedigree instead of hints. And the first thing it gives is the whole line. Gio: Maria De Franceschi, twenty-two, is the son of Pietro De Franceschi q.m Gio: Maria — the very man who remarried in this book on 30 March 1818 — and of Veniera Francin, Pietro's first wife, the one already dead when he did. The bride is Lucia Bonassin, and «Gio Maria De Franceschi × Lucia Bonassin» is one of the households this archive reconstructed out of the baptism register months ago, with four children…

…reconstructed out of the baptism register months ago, with four children between 1822 and 1831. So the household now stands four deep, off a single page:· Gio. Maria De Franceschi — dead before 1818· Pietro, born about 1776; married Veniera Francin, then Lorenza Tesser in 1818· Gio: Maria, born about 1799; married Lucia Bonassin on 9 June 1821· and their four children, 1822–1831 And it retires this morning's guess. When Pietro's father turned out to be dead by 1818, this page…

…alive in 1828 The register found all three by naming their dead father the same way, three times, across ten years. Not one of them has a baptism on any film this archive can reach. (doc) A note on the given name: Pietro's first wife was Veniera Francin, and his sister was Veniera. In a town this size the same handful of names does all the work, which is exactly why the patronymic is the only thing here worth trusting. The weaver again, this time at home 26· 23 Settembre…

…d'Anni 19 At a glance in the hand this reads Franceschi. It is Francin — and it is worth writing down rather than silently discarding, because it is the same family Pietro De Franceschi married into. Pietro's first wife was «Veniera Francin q.m Dom.co de Rondel». This groom's dead father is «Pietro Francin q.m Dom.co de Rondel» — the identical patronymic, so Veniera's brother. The boy marrying here at nineteen is Veniera's nephew, and a first cousin of the Gio: Maria De Franceschi…

…to the other Pietro is open) 1 December 1832 — Gio: Maria had a brother 41· 1 Dicembre 1832· № domus 282 Sponsus — Domenico, figlio di Pietro De Franceschi q.m Gio: Maria e della q.m Veniera Francin q.m Domenico, giugali Cattolico· d'Anni 29· Celibe Sponsa — Antonia, figlia del q.m Giovanni Del Carro q.m Pasquale e di Bernardina Lugieri q.m Giacomo, giugali, Vedova· d'Anni 34 Testes — D. Giuseppe Del Ton, Dottore·…

…di Bernardina Lugieri q.m Giacomo, giugali, Vedova· d'Anni 34 Testes — D. Giuseppe Del Ton, Dottore· Gaudenzio Dalla Zonca, nobile The same parents as the marriage of 9 June 1821: Pietro De Franceschi q.m Gio: Maria and Veniera Francin q.m Domenico. So this is a second son of that couple — Domenico, born about 1803, four years behind his brother Gio: Maria. The eldest Vodnjan line now runs:· Pietro — named only in his son's patronymic· Gio. Maria ×…

…born about 1803, four years behind his brother Gio: Maria. The eldest Vodnjan line now runs:· Pietro — named only in his son's patronymic· Gio. Maria × Michiela Zambaletta, both dead by 1830· Pietro (b. c.1776) × Veniera Francin, then Lorenza Tesser· Cristoforo· Veniera (b. c.1781)· Gio: Maria (b. c.1799, m. 1821)· Domenico (b. c.1803, m. 1832)· Michiela (b. c.1800, m. 1826) Five generations and three of the fourth's siblings, all of it out of a…

…got wrong. This archive is not going to pick one. (doc for the entry; the join is inf, and which join it is remains open) What the death book says about the town, while you are looking for one man Scanning 1817 and 1818 for Veniera Francin — she is not there, so she died earlier — the book says something else instead. 1817 ran to 222 deaths. Page after page of febbre gastrico-nervosa maligna, often with «(Tifo)» written beside it: typhus, through a walled town, in the year of…

Gaps

…standard wording for any deputising priest, not a personal privilege. Brother of Pietro the ploughman and Cristoforo the weaver, who signed the same book with a cross Vodnjan deaths 1815–1833· film 005497894, images 471–575 Veniera Francin (De Franceschi) Vodnjan «la fu Veniera Francin q.m Dom.co de Rondel» — first wife of Pietro De Franceschi, mother of the Gio: Maria who married in 1821, and dead before March 1818 Vodnjan deaths 1815–1833· film…

…Brother of Pietro the ploughman and Cristoforo the weaver, who signed the same book with a cross Vodnjan deaths 1815–1833· film 005497894, images 471–575 Veniera Francin (De Franceschi) Vodnjan «la fu Veniera Francin q.m Dom.co de Rondel» — first wife of Pietro De Franceschi, mother of the Gio: Maria who married in 1821, and dead before March 1818 Vodnjan deaths 1815–1833· film 005497894, images 471–575 Pietro De Franceschi…

…both dead by 1832, when their son Domenico remarried at forty-six Vodnjan deaths 1815–1833· film 005497894, images 471–575 Domenico De Franceschi Vodnjan Son of Pietro De Franceschi q.m Gio: Maria and Veniera Francin q.m Domenico; married Antonia Del Carro, a widow, on 1 December 1832 aged 29 — younger brother of the Gio: Maria who married Lucia Bonassin in 1821 Vodnjan deaths 1815–1833· film 005497894, images 471–575 Lucia Tromba (De…

Vodnjan

…reach. Pietro De Franceschi named only in his son's patronymic doc Gio. Maria De Franceschi × Michiela Zambaletta fu Cristoforo· both dead by 1830 doc Pietro b. c.1776· × Veniera Francin q.m Dom.co de Rondel, then Lorenza Tesser, 30 Mar 1818 doc Cristoforo agricoltore· × Maria Luigia Manzin q.m Domenico doc Veniera b. c.1781· × Domenico Pastrovicchio, then Domenico Fioranti, 25 Jun…

…di Domenico q.m Pietro — which makes 325 their house 483 25 Jun 1830 marriage Veniera De Franceschi, widow, remarrying at forty-nine 282 1 Dec 1832 marriage Domenico, son of Pietro De Franceschi q.m Gio: Maria and Veniera Francin 325 17 Jul 1832 marriage Domenico De Franceschi, 46, son of Pietro De Franceschi and Martina Civico 324 27 Jul 1833 marriage Maria Francesca, daughter of the late Giuseppe De Franceschi and Lucia Tromba…

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